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11. Apr 2010 at 22:37
 
Hi all , does anyone have any knowledge of Isuzu 4LB1 diesels as fitted to  canal narrow boats and some JCB's and forklifts , in particular the diesel injection system. I have a problem with this particular engine which I can't seem to find the answer to Embarrassed
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Reply #1 - 12. Apr 2010 at 09:59
 
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Reply #2 - 12. Apr 2010 at 19:11
 
Thanks Brad , I have done a very comprehensive web search including both of those sites , many others and several forums but with little to show for the effort , however after speaking on the phone with a "boat engineer" I have clarified a couple of questions and am now making some progress , but flat batteries stopped play. Cry
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Reply #3 - 17. Apr 2010 at 00:46
 
It's a strange one , the engine in my pal's narrow boat  , a four cylinder, two litre isuzu diesel was missing on one pot , I should have said "sorry, I know nothing about them" but instead I suggested cracking the injector pipe.
Nothing there !
Try each in turn , yes all working OK , except for No.3.
We decided to bleed the injector  and there is no fuel at the faulty cylinder.
By coincidence he had changed the fuel filters the day before so we decided some debris might have got through and be blocking something.
I am used to auto diesels, having owned several commercial vehicles and driving diesel Peugeots for the last four cars , but this is completely different from what I know.
It is a common rail system with a separate pump for each cylinder , so we took the pump for No.3 cylinder apart , only a spring , a loose jet and a collet , no obvious fault , put it back together , engine won't even fire let alone run.
Over the next two days took every component off the fuel supply , got soaked in diesel , flattened the batteries and had to get a petrol generator to re-charge them but not a fart.
I rang every boat hire firm , Isuzu dealer and even JCB agents as the engine was fitted to some diggers , but no-one had any information or a manual.
The engine has an electric lift pump and that was working and a stop solenoid which also works so we were totally stumped.
We decided to remove the stop solenoid and see what it did , my old Bedford van had a stop solenoid which was a needle valve , the tip  broke off and blocked the jet.
The solenoid pushes against a bar , but the bar didn't move.
Removing the side cover from the block we could see that the bar was really a lever attached to each pump along the engine , and it was jammed in the closed position.
After pulling the lever back we gingerly tried the starter and she fired up instantly and runs smooth as silk , well as a diesel.
responds slow to  the throttle now though and sometimes the lever closes on it's own , guess we will have to look at the other end now.
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Reply #4 - 29. Apr 2010 at 19:25
 
After taking off the inspection cover at the throttle end of the engine we exposed a complex mechanism of springs and levers. This is the link to the speed governer , which appears to be the centrifugal counterweight type and it is this which is pulling the peviously mentioned lever , there is adjustment but without a manual I really don't fancy doing anything , so that's what I need now - forty quids worth of paper which no-one seems to stock.
If anything further needs removing the engine will have to come out as access is nigh on impossible.
As an interim measure we have bent up a piece of wire and attached it to the lever , it passes through a wooden plug in the solenoid hole ,which stops the oil being chucked out, and is fastened to a handy bolt head.
The engine can now be governed down to tick-over without shutting down so at least there is power for the inverter.
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Reply #5 - 13. May 2010 at 12:15
 
Hay Abb what you need is a marine engineer! Smiley
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Reply #6 - 13. May 2010 at 12:44
 
Or a man with a big hammer  , a couple of swans came for a look and a flotilla of ducklings but no advice offered. Smiley
I guess this is what a marine engineer would term jury rigged , Wink



here's the common rail injector system with the individual pumps



and this is the access Shocked

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Reply #7 - 13. May 2010 at 18:55
 
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You have lots of room. I wish I had a picture of me changing the starter moter on the port engine on a Coast Guard 44' Motor Life Boat. You have to stand on your head wedged bewteen the engine and the side of the hull. Was not a fun job but I was 23 at the time so I could do it, today no way.

Just a point. I think you have a unit pump injection system where all the injection timing is done at the pumps. As I recall common rail systems had one high pressure pump and the timing and speed was controled at the injectors. GM on the 71 series engine used a unit injector that had the injectors feed with a low pressure pump and the unit injectors supplied the high pressure and the cam shaft provided the timing. It has been a long time sence I worked on a marine diesel engine.

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Reply #8 - 13. May 2010 at 23:10
 
You are correct Dave , the timing is by cam-shaft. When I said common rail what I really meant is that the pumps are in a common gallery which is flooded with fuel, so each pump picks up fuel and pushes it to it's injector.
To access the governor mechanism the whole front cover has to be removed and I don't think that there is enough clearance without taking the engine out or at least raising it.
You can feel the force from the governor trying to close the throttle even at fast idle speed.
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Reply #9 - 14. May 2010 at 00:35
 
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I reread your posts. My guess is that the engine has lost one or both of the springs on the govenor fly weights. At least it is not a great big v8 engine so lifting it high enough to work on is less of a problem. Of course you will have to do a new shaft alignment when you set it back in place. Good luck hope the weather stay good or you can rig tarps to keep you dry while working on it.

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Reply #10 - 19. Jul 2010 at 20:17
 
can any engine be matched to an izusu 40 lb marine gearbox pls help minty Wink
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